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Don
Shelby spoke with NEWSWORTHY to elaborate on these views.
NEWSWORTHY:
How did you arrive at the views you expressed to CJR?
Shelby:
I had those feelings all along. That's the reason I said I would
be willing to accept criticism of that piece, because I had criticism
of it myself. But you can't, in the forum provided by the News Council,
make admissions like that. You're there to try to stand by your
story ... to say that the story has no problems. You're not there
to admit to the very thing that is at least a portion of the criticism
that the opponent has ... because if you admit to that you are opening
the door to the supposition that lots of your story is flawed.
I
was never asked the question directly, "Would you have done
things differently" My response, honestly I would have done
a lot of things differently.
Part
of the reason I can say what I am saying today is that we have come
to an understanding among the people involved that the story would
have been better if some of the elements had not been in there,
particularly the sexual harassment story and the mention of [the
woman who was found dead at Boston's Logan Airport]. The story would
not have attracted the kind of heat and would not have looked like
as John Finnegan of the News Council put it a sort of bait and switch.
It
was an effort to explain an atmosphere of retaliation, and the people
who were willing to speak on the air about it have experienced it
in this other arena [when complaining about sexual harassment].
To
have spent so much time on that was just poor storytelling, and
it got us into trouble.
NEWSWORTHY:
If the station had admitted those things to Northwest from the start,
there would have been no hearing.
Shelby:
In the letters [between Northwest and WCCO] there were some admissions.
But we couldn't admit [to Northwest's main contention] because [our]
sources were reliable, and they (NWA) don't know who our sources
are. One of the problems we had, we couldn't reveal the 24 individuals
that we had on the record, but whom we had granted confidentiality.
Why would you ever do a story using unreliable sources?
NEWSWORTHY:
Sometimes it happens.
Shelby:
You can sometimes be fooled, but not at my advanced years, by 24
people saying the same thing.
NEWSWORTHY:
Did you have time to think about that before the story went on the
air?
Shelby:
No, not in terms of getting it out. The stories had been largely
produced before I became fully aware of how they would be used.
I conducted the interviews on sexual harassment. These individuals
had suffered retaliation for rocking the boat. I believed that if
properly used although they weren't the best [witnesses] we could
get; it would be better to have mechanics that while it was a stretch,
it might serve us.
NEWSWORTHY:
Did it occur to you that your reputation was at stake, that it was
a risk?
Shelby:
There's always a risk when you're on the air saying anything. A
greater risk when you're doing an investigative report, and a much
greater risk when you're doing an investigative report on an important
citizen in the community. I knew the reason they asked me to do
the story was that they needed the potency of the long-time investigative
reporter and anchor to carry it off, because the subject was so
important and I did have the experience.
NEWSWORTHY:
The veteran reporter often serves as the gatekeeper of last resort,
to protect the station, the public, everyone involved. Did you ever
think, before broadcast, there's something wrong with this story?
Shelby:
It's a question of who knew what, when. At the meeting with NWA
when I, for the first time, saw the promos I was appalled and knew
this was the beginning of the troubles.
The
pieces themselves troubled me as an investigative reporter because
we didn't have a lovable on-camera source to make these accusations.
Three people agreed to be silhouetted, and Digatono [the welder
who had been fired and was suing Northwest], went on camera and
became a critical negative for us. Now you have the choice at that
point to not do the story, or to do it and tough it out, and we
decided to tough it out. We had discussions about the weaknesses,
but you can't decide not to use it because he has some negatives.
The
idea that he was a disgruntled former employee and just has an ax
to grind was a criticism by some on the News Council. I'm dumbfounded.
Every story I've ever done came from somebody who had an ax to grind.
You have to look at your information and say, "Is it true?
Can we back it up?" The 24 other sources we had convinced us
we could.
NEWSWORTHY:
What do you think of the News Council process as a way of focusing
these issues for the public?
Shelby:
I have mixed emotions. Because of the importance of the case I would
have much preferred this to be in a court of law. Of course I don't
have to pay the bills. I am completely convinced that our side would
have been sustained because the questions would have been different.
What
happened with the News Council finding that this was untruthful
reporting [was that it] gave Northwest Airlines the ability to walk
away and say, "See, WCCO was wrong." I don't believe the
News Council meant to say that.
(Editor's
note: The question before the News Council was whether WCCO's stories
were journalistically sound.)
Some
individuals on the News Council do not have a working knowledge
of investigative journalism. Some members who work in business were
appalled by the idea that we gave NWA only 10 days notice that we
wanted an interview. That is almost 10 days more than we give anyone.
It did not serve WCCO.
We
were blamed for the fact that our interview with them did not take
place until the day it aired. Once we alerted them, the time line
was in their hands. WCCO did not get credit for the fact that I
broke with long-standing journalistic tradition and met with Northwest's
people without a camera and went over every detail of the questions
we would ask, so they wouldn't be blindsided.
NEWSWORTHY:
John Finnegan [former executive editor of the St. Paul Pioneer Press]
said at the hearing that your sources just weren't convincing, and
the case hinged on that. If they had been convincing, a lot of the
other complaints would have fallen away.
Shelby:
No question, No question. No question. That was the weakness of
the piece. I don't know if in this town we would ever be able to
get enough people to put their careers on the line and say the kinds
of things that were being said off camera to us.
If
I were writing this piece for NEWSWORTHY, as an uninvolved journalist,
I would say, "They didn't prove it to me. I'm not convinced.
It is likely true, because Shelby wouldn't go on the air if it weren't.
He must have something; there must be some other bullets in the
gun that he's not shooting, so I'm gonna give him the benefit of
the doubt," which I think the general public did.
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